Cable Takes Lead

Vince Cable

Twickenham’s MP Sir Vince Cable has become leader of the Liberal Democrats after no other candidates stood against him. He has previously served as deputy leader of the party and in the cabinet of the Conservative Lib Dem coalition from 2010 t0 2015. Having first become Twickenham’s MP in 1997, Cable was deposed by Conservative Tania Mathias in the 2015 General Election only to regain his old seat in June of this year. The 74 year old takes over from Tim Farron who stood down after the election. Cable is a vocal Europhile and has said he feared the UK was ‘heading for a disastrous outcome’ over leaving the EU and said he felt there should be an ‘exit from Brexit’.

But what does all this mean for little old Twickenham you cry? etc etc. Probably not a huge amount – less time for constituency matter perhaps – but we wish him well with the new gig. Someone’s got to do it, we suppose.

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67 responses to “Cable Takes Lead

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  2. A. Robot (Mrs)

    Left hand/right hand, arse/elbow Brexishambles . (Volume 2, No. 1 of a series. All contributions welcomed)
    More grist to Vince’s mill there I would say.

  3. Nemesis

    Should the UK vote to leave the Vincent Cable?
    Remember if you vote no you will be asked again untill you give the correct answer.

    • Alexis

      My thanks to Nemesis, this seems a suitable place to post my last of the day.
      A thought for those of you who might be thinking of voting for a “socialist” government which Vince once wanted. Please be aware that their nice words now hide a far deeper wish to socially re-engineer our society.

      If Corbyn and McDonnell get their way, which they well might, we face the prospect of a decade of turmoil. Look at the mess oil-rich Venezuela has descended into under the ultra socialist government of the late Chavez and now Maduro. This is a country with the potential wealth of Norway, yet it’s doing its best to squander it. Who’s paying the highest price? – the poor, as always.
      Despite that, who’s still singing the praises of Maduro and his policies? – Jeremy Corbyn of course!
      There was a very interesting programme on BBC4 at 11.00am today about the 2017 election. If you missed it, well worth a listen if you have BBC iplayer.

  4. A. Robot (Mrs)

    Vince will no doubt have noticed that Gove is now saying that he’d ban toxic chooks as part of any US trade deal.
    1. Has he told Fox?
    2. He has to say that as he needs to placate UK poultry farmers whose business would be ruined (see also NZ and lamb)
    3. In a negotiating situation with the US they’d tell us to ‘go whistle’)
    4. It’s not just about chlorinated chicken
    5. The issue is proving embarrassing and he needs to bury it somehow
    6. After his behaviour in the referendum and the May accession, who would ever again believe a word the disgusting little pimple of a man says?

    Vince should also read this from today’s G*******.

  5. Ex-Twickenham Resident

    Whilst we are waiting for Aristophanes (or perhaps WhiteKnight might like to give his opinion?) to inform us of what sovereignty we have lost due to EU membership and what EU laws have constrained our day to day lives, perhaps this article might be worth a read.

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      I don’t think you should press them too hard. Slogans about sovereignty, getting our country back, securing our borders etc were never intended to be scrutinised very closely, indeed their appeal lay in their simplicity. It was always going to be difficult for Remain to sell their position because the whole subject is massively complicated and (as is obvious from some of the posts on here) many people find that too difficult and prefer the simplicities offered by Leave, if only because they’re easy to learn and to parrot when the occasion demands.
      The more disturbing thing is that the Leave zealots who led the campaign MUST (surely?) have realised what the complications would be and the impossibility of achieving anything other than huge economic and social damage, but, being zealots, the achievement of ‘liberation’ from Johnny Foreigner and his wicked oily ways was claimed to be worth it. Only now are they becoming dimly aware of what it’s all about, as their daily concessions and backtracking make only too obvious.
      When they finally notice a very nasty smell, make out the word ‘Creek’ on a signpost and start frantically looking for a non-existent paddle, they will possibly realise what the rest of us have known for some time.

    • Ex-Twickenham Resident

      Mrs. Robot – can’t remember who said it, but the referendum was ‘a complex truth against a simple lie’.

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      Thanks, ex TR. Spot on.

    • Riverside Voter

      I could explain why the Royal Mail has been on a path to oblivion for three decades but it would send Alexis into a coma, even though it involved personal experience of a handbagging by Thatcher, a thought I suspect will make many a white Tory male or matron go a bit 50 shades of grey. The Dutch and Germans caught the strategy as it was sent flying across Europe and it flew, as the planes of the resulting businesses, branded TNT and DHL rather than that of their major state shareholders the Dutch PTT and Deutshepost still do worldwide.

      Criminally when the Royal Mail was finally privatised it was too little, too late and it just continues the decline. After the initial feeding frenzy which the Tories really should hold the likes of Lazards accountable for, instead of playing the usual Coalition game of blame the coalition, it is trading at around £3.90 per share now exactly as envisaged for a business with sadly modest prospects sustained only by putting up prices and dumping pensions……

    • Riverside Voter

      Usual Coalition game of blame the Libdems…

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      I thought TNT was set up by Jerry Hall’s current sex bomb using scab labour to deliver News International papers and thus circumvent the effects of action by transport workers (none of that ‘logistics’ nonsense in those days) after the wrinkly old bastard sacked the printers and moved to Wapping (I’m quoting Hugh Trevor-Roper almost verbatim here, I believe).
      Did he give it away free to the Dutch as soon as it had served its purpose then?

    • Alexis

      All predictable stuff from the usual hacks, however a welcome contribution from someone new, Gladiator – good for you, sir or madam. Vince Cable did indeed say that he wouldn’t get involved about the LibDem Riverside sell-off. What a nice cop-out from a tricky spot!

      As I have said before, he is, as he has always been, the supreme opportunist as long as it doesn’t damage his relationship with whichever party he is currently representing. There have been 3 to my knowledge before he was finally elected on his 5’th attempt here as a LibDem and again on his 7’th

      As to the hacks:
      RV who is clearly a LibDem activist, ends his two-part post thus: “Usual Coalition game of blame the Libdems”.
      Who else is there to blame for a botched sell-off of Royal Mail? Vince Cable was the Business Secretary charged with running a complicated brief having supposedly been a chief economist at Shell – who’s to doubt his competence to run a major privatisation? The fact that he botched it big-time has been quietly covered up.

      Mrs Robot seems to have lost the plot – perhaps she need re-programming – Green perhaps?

      As to the coalition, I feel rather sorry for Nick Clegg who was a genuinely good guy and didn’t realise what a nest of vipers he had been dragged into when he and his party entered coalition – I wish him well in the future.
      Vince, being ex-Labour, probably knew what would happen but had his first sniff of power so didn’t care.
      PS: I wonder how many people bought a diesel car encouraged by the LibDem CO2/CPZ tax scam thinking they were helping to save the planet. I’d be pretty furious if I had done so and realised what harm I was causing to our children’s health.

    • Riverside Voter

      Mrs Robot, TNT was Australian originally and as such no doubt Murdoch had his nose in the trough at some point but by the 90s it was a worldwide logistics business, and he was probably too busy with his plan to achieve media and political domination. The European Postal Services were all looking to find ways to invest in to becoming global players to sustain their home postal service, I think the French and Canadians also threw some money into the TNT acquisition / partnership. Thatcher, in defiance of all her advisers and the DTI, decided that was the public sector interfering in the Free Market and our postal service would instead pursue a strategy of “managed decline”, the cheap sell off was merely the denouement……

      Alexis If you must put me in a tribe then “will never vote Tory again” do? I make up my own mind issue by issue and support Vince because at the moment he is a lone voice of reason. I do not share Mrs R’s belief that the Tories are only just seeing that we are drifting up shit creek without a paddle, I think the likes of Raab, Baker and Rees Mogg are paddling as hard as they can to a land of low regulation, low taxation and a small state, a tribute state of Trumpland. Fox is hanging on to a rope being dragged behind spluttering.

    • Riverside Voter

      And I would by the way by the same reasoning also support Anna Soubrey, Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine, along with Lammy and Ummuna

  6. twickerman

    I’m amazed that ‘There’s no mention of Twickenham Riverside’ in Vince’s manifesto.

    Come on Vince, you’re our Twickenham MP, surely you must have/should have a view on the New Heart for your constituency?

    Do you support:
    – A riverside park (by relocating car parking away from the riverbank)
    – A town square
    – A sympathetic scale and style of development, especially facing The Enbankment and Water Lane

    • Gladiator

      Yes, it will be interesting. You may recall that when the libdems were in power and he was asked what he thought of the housing development/river centre scheme, he replied that he never got involved in local issues.

    • Untrue. I hear Trump is recruiting. You may like it in the swamp.

    • anonymouse

      Just what we need, a local MP that doesn’t get involved in local issues (unless of course there is a photo opportunity). 🤔

  7. aristophanes

    I reply to ex-Twickenham Resident: sovereignty has been lost when EU laws take the place of UK ones. It has been estimated by various authorities to have occurred in between 13 to 65% of laws etc; a reasonable figure would be a median of 50%. Fisheries and agriculture are the most seriously impacted.
    I have given and explained my reasoning. Now I ask others to do the same.

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      Ok, here goes:
      I won’t question your actual figures but your ‘various authorities’ ’15 to 65%’ does not impress with its precision. More important, you haven’t said what any of this means in practice; you’ve just named two sectors and given 3 numbers. So you haven’t really ‘explained your reasoning’ at all.
      Pending something more persuasive appearing perhaps I could provide an example for you.
      Our laws on food hygiene and safety are currently those of the EU, developed over years and followed throughout the EU. In the USA, where ‘regulation’ is a dirty word, they don’t have anything like the consumer protection we have in this area. They don’t, for example, have enforced hygiene standards at every stage of poultry production but rely on washing the birds with chlorine before sale. Infection rates are, not surprisingly, much higher than in the EU. If you want to be Rees-Moggy about it you could say we have ‘surrendered our sovereignty’ to the EU; on the other hand, we vomit a lot less than the Americans as a result. The strength in numbers of the EU enables us Europeans to resist the power of the US to drag our standards down to theirs.
      But can’t we have the same high hygiene standards if we leave the EU? No, because, in trade, America is strong and powerful and they would love to have access to our market for their poultry, GM beef, cereals which have been treated with pesticides which are banned in the EU etc etc etc. Such access will be part of their demands in any trade deal that Fox attempts to make (and bear in mind that Fox is an arch-Atlanticist anyway and detests regulation of any kind). If you look at the recent TTIP trade talks you will find all sorts of examples of ways the US sought to impose its will. The EU resisted; the UK on its own would not have the strength.
      So, what is my reasoning? Simply this: out of the EU our laws on food hygiene would cease to be imposed on us by the dreaded ‘Brussels’, we would ‘take back control’ etc etc. Instead, they would be imposed on us by nice, cuddly Trumpist Washington.
      Still, we’d have our ‘sovereignty’ back, wouldn’t we? Wouldn’t we????
      More on this here:

      That’s a specific example.

      PS To drag this discussion back to hyperlocalness, I’m sure that Vince would agree with all I’ve said.

    • Thank you for this most cogent and topical example, which lends itself to sloganising: ‘Brexit means vomit!’

      Today’s Guardian has the latest on this at 11:47 quoting the Telegraph:

      ‘ . . Dr Fox wants to allow the import of poultry treated with a chlorine wash process, which is currently banned under EU rules. It is more than one-fifth cheaper than British chicken . . The American Farming Association has been clear that any free trade deal must include agriculture, and that chlorine-washed chicken, hormone-fed beef and genetically modified crops must be approved for export to the UK … ’

    • Ex-Twickenham Resident

      Aristophanes – with all due respect that does not answer my question. Could you give an example that has a tangible effect on the lives of either you or the people in Twickenham?

      This figure about laws, I think I am correct in saying they have to be accepted by MEP’s. The vast majority of these laws are minor things like having a CE certificate on electrical goods, having to provide a plug on electrical goods, meeting certain standards regarding food etc. Obvious recent ones would include roaming charges and not allowing companies to charge a credit card payment.

      As for agriculture – well the famers do not seem enamoured with the Green Gove’s ideas. Indeed many farmers are likely to go bust.

      I will happily admit I have never really understood fisheries policies, but it did seem Gove was lying about his Dad’s business. Perhaps you could explain it?

      Let’s simplify the question – how has the EU encumbered your daily life?

      Personally speaking the EU project has given me exciting job opportunities abroad, allowed me to understand other European cultures, learn languages (I know 4, 2 very well) and allowed me to work with some wonderful people of all nationalities.

    • Riverside Voter

      Fishermen are almost as angry about the Brexit delusion as farmers who of course took to booing Andrea Leadsom wherever she went. Fisheries were another area where the UK government were shouting “squirrel”, blaming the EU to distract us from the consequences of their own policy. When Greenpeace looked in depth boat by boat at how quotas were allocated they discovered that the UK government had ignored the spirit of the EU policy which delegated the granting of quotas to the sovereign governments so that they could allocate them in a way that protected their fishing industry and communities based on social environmental and economic criteria. Instead they sold off the quotas to the highest bidders with the result that two thirds of the quotas were in the hands of three companies, 44% were sold to foreign companies mainly Dutch who landed them straight into the EU markets, never touching a U.K. Port. Lowestoft for instance sees very little of the fish that is part of their quota

      Gove of course has come in with new promises, but only to do what the government should have been doing if it had actually respected EU policy. The intention to reform quotas was in their manifesto but that never needed us to Brexit and the chances of anything in the Tory manifesto ever being implemented given they are tied up in knots by Brexit are remote. His announcement of his intention to abandon the London convention, even if it is legal, is just more spin since foreign boats fishing according to the convention land just 2% of the total catch.

      Sorry to add another complicated example. If you want more detail I will ask my man standing up for the hyperlocal in Lowestoft……

    • Riverside Voter

      I had a surreal conversation with someone who voted Leave who cited as one reason for doing so that they had not been able to catch any Mackeral on holiday because apparently huge factory ships had been sweeping down the Channel depleting the stocks entirely, RUSSIAN ships. Again not the EU’s fault but the UK’s sovereign government and the lack of boats for Boris’s Empire 2.0 to actually rule the waves

    • Alexis

      Yet again Mrs Robot mildly amuses me with her rhetoric.
      Does she not remember the salmonella epidemic mess Edwina Currie got herself into by being honest about the appalling hygiene standards of some of our poultry farms? Judging by this, It seems she was right after all.

      “Long after the furore died down, in 2001, it was revealed that a covered-up Whitehall report produced months after Currie’s resignation found that there had been a “salmonella epidemic of considerable proportions.”

      How about John Gummer and the BSE catastrophe which still affects beef farmers exports? Foot and Mouth disease which ruined lot’s of west country farmers? – all exacerbated by our, not American farming practices.
      PS: Jolly good stuff RV, as always. Sadly I will remember none of it within an hour or two – I’d stick to the day job.

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      Thanks, Riverside Voter. Excellent examples of the immensely-detailed matter that membership of the EU is about. And how ludicrous it was for Cameron to give a simple-majority vote on the question to an electorate fed on straight banana bullshit from Johnson and Our-Island-Story nostalgia from God’s little Dacre. Faced with a world crash in 2008, Gordon Brown might as well have gone on the Lottery Show and consulted ‘the people’ by telephone vote on what kind of quantitative easing they fancied.
      And thanks for reminding me of the slapdown Gove’s dad gave him after the disgusting little pimple lied that his dad’s fishing business was ruined by EU rules.

      No star for Alexis, though, whose logic seems to be ‘there’s a law against burglary but my neighbour still got burgled so I’m not going to lock my doors anymore’.

      Hyperlocal reference: plants at Squires are more expensive than at Petersham Nurseries. Take the ferry, keep a local business going (the ferry, I mean) and still have change.

    • Ex-Twickenham Resident

      Alex writes – How about John Gummer and the BSE catastrophe which still affects beef farmers exports?

      Yes British beef was banned for export. The French wanted it to remain banned but the EU lifted the ban some years ago and forced the French to accept British beef. The US only lifted the ban early this year. In short it was the EU that lifted the ban on British beef within the EU despite French opposition.

    • Riverside Voter

      Although you run the risk of buying an extremely distressed cupboard, or as it would say on the label, armoire, for £2000 that you could have bought in an auction house (the Heath Road one had it not gone to that great graveyard of Heath Road businesses) for £20 and got to work on with the sandpaper and Farrow and Ball yourself. However I am sure I am just showing off the Middlesex chip on my shoulder, and their Dahlias are magnificent……..

      I am guessing that the source of Aristophane’s figures is either this or the same as this (warning Alexis, more tedious reality), although the message I take from this article is that this debate was just more shouting “squirrel” to distract people from the true complexity and the extent of government scapegoating of the EU. To quote “Sir Paul Jenkins, a former Treasury solicitor who headed up the Government Legal Department. He thinks the whole debate is a red herring.
      “This is one of many areas in the EU debate where both sides describe meaningless nonsense as facts,” he says.

      But who needs experts eh?

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      As Vince would no doubt say: ‘Yes, only look at the ‘gardenalia’ if you need a laugh. It always reminds me of the Harry Enfield character who lounges around in his Notting Hill shop waiting for some airhead customer to come in and be insulted while he flogs them some piece of ludicrously-priced tat. Their van can sometimes be seen at Kempton Park antiques market (open tomorrow morning at 6.00) buying from the numerous French dealers there. Get up early and cut out the middleman!’

    • Alexis

      Sorry Mrs Robot, I’m afraid your little bit of logic leaves me utterly bemused – perhaps it’s best I leave you and your chums in your playground where you can happily agree with each other and achieve diddly sprat:
      She comments:
      “No star for Alexis, though, whose logic seems to be ‘there’s a law against burglary but my neighbour still got burgled so I’m not going to lock my doors anymore”
      What’s that got to do with the price of cod, haddock or anything I wrote? A little too obscure for a simple sole like me.
      PS: My family and I are staunch remainers, so please don’t wave Trump at us. The man is a total embarrassment.
      PPS: Thanks for the warning RV – I decided to have another cup of tea rather than suffer from ennui whilst ploughing through you link. Your posts are hard enough work as it is.

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      Oh dear, Alexis. Why always spoil your efforts by being so pettily bitchy?

    • Alexis

      Oh dear Mrs Robot , why always spoil your efforts by being so predictably abusive?
      Please remember that I am not the one opining my views, as you do; dare I say it, a little too forcefully and acerbically? I simply comment and hope I come across as a somewhat scurrilous sketch writer who tries to inject a little bit of humour into turgid stuff. I am also human and can’t resist puncturing a few ego’s which deserve to be punctured. I seem to have succeeded with Mrs Robot.

      I value new fresh comment and ideas, and was cheered up by Mr Makins excellent recent contributions, sadly we seem to have reverted to the same tired old stuff coming from the same keyboards – mea culpa.
      PS: Mrs R should watch out for Lampreys and bottom feeders like me – look at the mess they are reputed to have got Henry 1 into!

    • Nemesis

      Horse meat Lasagne – anyone?

    • whiteknight

      There’s no point, Aristo: they are all Guardian readers (except Alexis), so your pearls of wisdom are bound to be ignored!

    • Riverside Voter

      Sadly Alexis, the lampreys were probably the ones in a mess, being made the scapegoat, a sort of Medieval equivalent to the EU / refugees. Henry was a very old man by Medieval standards when he died and it was not surprising he shuffled off his mortal coil. The Lamphreys however were popularly regarded as “a bad thing” and to score very highly for being “cold and moist”, leading to the production of phlegm, blood and bile. Indulging in such a chilling foodstuff was guaranteed to put out anyone’s fire. I don’t know whether you identify with that but I can imagine the headlines in the Medieval Daily Mail “Lamprey hoards flooding our rivers and taking our Kings” ?

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      You haven’t really been following this too closely, have you ……..

    • Alexis

      Not bad at all RV – you have clearly been working on your sense of irony. B-
      However, perhaps I may make a couple of observations?
      Your thinly veiled insults are a little OTT and referring to anyone who dares to disagree with you as a Daily Mail reader, whether mediaeval or current, is an insult too far.
      Isn’t it a bit of a tired cliche just like the stuff the LibDems used to pump out to attempt to rubbish their opponents? At least they seem to have realised that it did them more harm than good.

      By all accounts Henry 1 was a thoroughly unpleasant, immoral and amoral person who had an interesting view of our relationship with France – no wonder they are still wary and refer to us as Perfidious Albion.
      Lets hope history doesn’t repeat itself.

    • Riverside Voter

      Alexis, reverting to the same old tribalism risks making the thread truly tedious (again) and I would certainly prefer a cup of tea to rising to your straw man. Aristophenes who appears to think he speaks for all who did not vote for Vince, clearly not all Daily Mail readers, actually started this thread asking others to give and explain their reasoning for broadly supporting Sir Vince, clearly not all Libdems or Guardian readers either. Lets both get a cup of tea and stick to that debate which after all is in the context of Twickerati wishing our elected MP well in his new gig as Leader of his party. Whatever your political tribe, or your personal feelings about Sir Vince, or even what newspaper you read, if you voted for Remain it is surely “a good thing” to have some sense being talked in parliament and the media on your behalf when there is so much being said and done that makes no sense.

  8. twickerman

    While we’re on the subject of leaders, here’s a reminder of what Lord True promised us Twickenham Rediscovered would deliver back in 2013.

    See how many of these have been delivered (easy to count on one finger)…or not delivered (you’ll need both hands).

    Hang in there because he’s not serenaded by roadworks for too long.

  9. Riverside Voter

    I know facts are not the thing these days and it is all about feelings and the feelings of an Aristophanes about whatever they think sovereignty is and who else shares their attachment to it count just as much as Sir Vinces in spite of his having spoken to thousands of his constituents and been elected by our system of parliamentary democracy with a majority of almost 10000.

    However apologies to Alexis and all others who glaze over at the very thought but I am one of those middle class Twickerati who does require a few facts to convince me. As I recall the vote to remain in Richmond was almost 70% so overwhelming that if the 24k who did not vote had done so in support of Brexit it would still have been a large majority. As it happens going on the word of one of the fishmonger in Sandy’s, normally it would be the ordinary man in the street but this is Twickenham, he at least did not vote because he thought it was a complicated issue and he did not consider he had been given sufficient information to decide. Sir Richard Dawkins shared hie view.

    To put it in the way that many Leavers seem to view it, here in Twickenham, you lost, get over it and stop moaning. It is now your patriotic duty to stop the sabotage, get behind our new old MP and make a success of his time in parliament……

    I am glad to see Sir Vince recognising and putting the issue of generational inequality at the forefront of his leadership campaign, especially given that so many young people were motivated to campaign and vote for him.

    • Alexis

      What a very odd post from RV – I’m struggling to work out what his point is other than that we should all rally round our new/old LibDem MP, Sir Vince Cable, the political opportunist par excellence – dream on RV!

      He wrote thus: “However apologies to Alexis and all others who glaze over at the very thought but I am one of those middle class Twickerati who does require a few facts to convince me.”

      What has that got to do with the price of glazed salmon in Sandy’s? Are “facts” the sole prerogative of middle class Twickerati’s as RV claims, or perhaps he thinks we lower/upper class bottom feeders prefer to pout and flounder in our own batter? Whatever, it’s far better than being kippered by the dab hand of UKIP or having Demokrat carping on – isn’t it?.

      Perhaps it’s time for me to clam up, get my skates on and fly off to my perch before other readers come to cut off my mullet.

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      OMC, Alexis!

    • Alexis

      I’m sorry Mrs Robot, some posters are so serious-mindedly tedious that I can’t help myself and revert to my youthful Monty Pythonesque banality – you should be grateful that I couldn’t and didn’t make any mention of spam!

    • RiversideVoter

      His???? Speaks volumes

    • Alexis

      My apologies also to RV – I thought I had made it clear that I have given up on the gender stuff so everyone is a “him” unless using an obviously female name – is that alright or do you prefer to be referred to as a “her”?
      I’m OK whatever I’m called.

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      We haven’t always seen eye to eye but I was impressed by ‘pout’, which showed an impressive knowledge of the lesser members of the whiting family.
      What I find a little disconcerting is that 3 people could find it in themselves to bother to unveil their flaccid digits for ‘Oh My Cod, Alexis!’.
      Concerning, non?

    • Riverside Voter

      Alexis You have clearly never been on the receiving end of the, yes, incredibly tedious “you lost, get over it, saboteur, enemy of the people” rhetoric. It does indeed drive you to cod.

      Why call each other anything? A simple they /their does the job.

    • Alexis

      Mrs Robot quite rightly asks a question, “concerned non?” As an afficionado of fish fingers, I must say that I far prefer them crispy rather than flaccid as does my beloved.

      Also, Aristophanese refers me to Ms Sturgeon – nice one Ari! However, since she has little or no influence on our lives, I will focus my attention on Mr Grayling who now seems to have the ear of Mrs May despite his past attack-dogfish record. As flyfisherpeople like me well know, Grayling and Trout indulge in a feeding frenzy in June when the Mayfly hatch – no wonder the election was so badly botched.

      Anyway that’s probably already enough for me to be winkled out and have my head plaiced on a pike staff.

  10. A. Robot (Mrs)

    ‘Sovereignty’. Sounds like something we’d all be in favour of, has a nice ring to it redolent of kings and queens and obsolete coinage.
    Would any of you last-ditch Leavers like to explain (a) what it means in 2017, (b) where it’s been clearly absent since 1972 and (c) how we’re all going to feel different when whatever-you-think-it-is is returned to us in 2019 (not that it will ever happen as it must be becoming clear to you that the simplistic crap you were suckered into is never actually now going to materialise. (Though quite how Gove, Johnson and the other low-life conmen who sold it to you will now attempt to sell you the new version is another matter).

    • aristophanes

      Nobody “sold me” anything. I made up my own mind.
      Sovereignty means “independent power, self-government” (Chambers). Not really out of date, I think, eg ask Ms Sturgeon.
      A sovereign is not “obsolete coinage” : they are minted just about every year. They are legal tender.
      Our Sovereign is the Head of State, viz HM The Queen.
      None are out of date.
      Perhaps a little more toleration of those whose views you disagree with would not be out of order? To quote Voltaire (perhaps) : “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”.

    • Ex-Twickenham Resident

      Aristophanes – could you please tell us where you feel that the sovereignty of the country has been lost as you stated, “Many voted to regain sovereignty…” ? One specific example will do.

      By the way I agree to defend your right to put forward your point of view and be tolerant of those whose views I disagree, but it is difficult if you do not give your view! So could you please tell us where you feel that the sovereignty of the country has been lost?

  11. James

    “Many voted to regain sovereignty, knowing that leaving the EU would almost certainly be deleterious to the economy”

    I don’t remember that being plastered on the side of any Leave buses and very strongly suspect that, had it been, the vote wouldn’t have gone the same way!

    It’s also a bit hypocritical to accuse Cable of arrogance in assuming voters’ motives while doing the same yourself in your previous sentence! You claim that all local voters who didn’t support Vince in June “obviously do not welcome him”. That’s almost certainly wrong… a fair number of Labour voters would have felt he was the best of the two main local contenders but wanted to support their preferred party; a fair number of Conservatives felt he had been an excellent MP but were worried about Corbyn getting into Downing Street; and a fair number of non-voters would have liked Cable but been away from Twickenham on the day.

  12. twickerman

    I wonder if Sir Vince has any views on the Twickenham Riverside Park vs Car Park debate?

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      He’s trying to avoid being questioned on the matter but I hear he personally believes that one of the proposals is a sin.
      Ultimately I reckon he’ll demand another referendum on the matter.

    • Vince Cable’s manifesto is at There’s no mention of Twickenham Riverside or other parochial issues – Vince has a country to save!

      He supports, I am certain, the borough Lib Dem’s long standing policy: scrap the Terry plans and pay off the architect, setting him free to do what he does best – build country homes for the nouveaux riche.

      Hold instead an open public competition under RIBA rules and let the residents decide what to build – if anything. He will, if he has any sense, keep out of the ensuing years of argy-bargy . .

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      As I said, Chris, his position will likely be:
      1. Out-of-place kitsch neo-classicism is unnatural, a perversion and an abomination and its practitioners will burn in hell for eternity (Leviticus 18:22).
      (Ditto shellfish eaters).
      2. Quick competition then a referendum (binding or advisory to be decided once the results are in).

    • anonymouse

      Pay off the architect!
      What are you on Mr Squire?
      Terry’s already been paid a fortune for a series of shite designs that fail to deliver what residents said they wanted in council consultations (All In One etc), which was primarily a Town Square and a pedestrianised riverside.
      Sack him, sack Fleming for failing to listen, and sack the Riverside councillors for sticking their heads in the sand (just as they did with glorianagate).

    • anonymouse
      July 21, 2017 at 6:42 pm
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      Pay off the architect!
      What are you on Mr Squire?
      Terry’s already been paid a fortune for a series of shite designs that fail to deliver what residents said they wanted in council consultations (All In One etc), which was primarily a Town Square and a pedestrianised riverside.
      Sack him, sack Fleming for failing to listen, and sack the Riverside councillors for sticking their heads in the sand (just as they did with glorianagate).
      Anonymouse: The architect, a professional, gets paid in arrears so there will inevitably be a final invoice to settle for work done to the end date; whether there’d be anything on top I don’t know but it wouldn’t surprise me.

      The residents are not the client – the Council is. Fleming may be sacked by her electors in May but until then her position seems safe as she has recently been elected joint deputy leader of the council, a sign of confidence by her fellow Tories. If the Tories cling on the council she might even emerge as leader! She would then be free to impose her good taste on Twickenham.

      The Riverside councillors are very likely to be sacked by their electors in May – they almost were in 2014 thanks to a vigorous campaign by S Burningham et al.

    • anonymouse

      Mr Squire
      You fail to observe that Fleming stood to become leader of the local Tories. She failed. Take a look at LBRUT’s youtube riverside myth videos below and you will see why she couldn’t sell a piss-up in a brewery. Enjoy.

  13. Ben Khosa

    Vince has quite an Army of people willing to assist in the “routine” tasks to help him achieve his declared aim of being a good constituency MP so I don’t foresee much to fear on that side of things.

    Ben Khosa

  14. Sir Vince never let his constituents down when he had a massive department to run as Business Secretary. All of us involved in the Gloriana campaign were grateful for his advice. As a fierce Remain constituency we must all welcome an anti Brexit voice in Parliament.

    • aristophanes

      Contrary to what Dr B writes, viz “we must all welcome”, many people in Twickenham clearly do not feel the same way. Less than half the electorate voted for Sir Vincent (so obviously do not welcome him), and also there were a not insignificant number of residents who voted to leave the EU. For Sir Vincent to say people did not vote to become poorer is not only arrogant (how does he know voters’ motives?) but incorrect. Many voted to regain sovereignty, knowing that leaving the EU would almost certainly be deleterious to the economy in the short term, but considering that was a small price to pay.

    • Ex-Twickenham Resident

      Aristophanes – David Davis admitted that the UK was always sovereign. Indeed the fact that we had a referendum on the EU would be proof conclusive that Britain is a sovereign nation as are all other EU states. Each state has their own particular laws, tax structures and voting systems. To suggest we are not sovereign is deluded. Perhaps you mix up sovereignty with applying standards that all products in the EU must meet?