Vince is Back: Cable Elected as Your New MP

It’s over! It’s done! We have the result! And the winner is… drumroll… Dr Vince Cable.

Twickenham (and surrounding lesser towns) has spoken and your new MP is your old MP even if he’s not been your recent MP. In other words, he’s back. It was the battle of the two Doctors in which Conservative candidate Dr Tania Mathias, who was regenerated as our MP in 2015, was beaten by former local MP Dr Sir Vince Cable. We say, ‘Thanks and bad luck Tania’ and ‘Congratulations Vince’ on your election (or rather re-election?) as Twickenham’s MP.  Cable’s majority is nearly 10,000, easily overturning Tania Mathias’ 2,000 majority from 2015. His win was more emphatic than the ‘cautiously optimistic’ noises coming from the Lib Dem camp had suggested. One might even say that the dance loving veteran politico achieved something of a ballroom blitz. Nationally the precise picture is still not totally clear although a hung parliament with the Conservatives as the largest party is the most likely outcome.

Phew! With the voting over we know that we don’t need to have another general election for five whole years… unless of course the five year rule is overturned if something ‘important’ crops up like an inability to form a government, a failing coalition or someone fancies an election just for fun, or whatever. See you back at the polling station soon then.

Vince Cable

Twickenham was only ever going to be a two horse race between the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats and the incumbent Mathias, with her narrow 2,000 majority, was beaten by Cable who had served at Twickenham’s MP for 18 years until 2015. Cable’s challenge seemed strong – very visible, plenty of tweets, plenty of posters and ‘skateboards’ compared to Mathias – and so it proved. Did people vote on national issues like Brexit, austerity cuts and the ‘dementia tax’ or on local issues, or even on personalities?  We don’t know. Mathias has been quite popular locally and had supported local causes such as opposing Heathrow expansion and the closure of Kneller Hall. She’s also been an advocate of the rights of refugees and EU citizens, but these are issues that also feature in Cable’s thinking. Was it Tania herself or the ‘Vote Tania, Get May’ mantra that seemed to be a common theme among some local residents. Or was it a legacy of the Brexit referendum despite both candidates being remainers? Or was it just Vince Appeal? We don’t know.

What we can see is that Mathias polled almost exactly the same number of votes as last time but Cable picked up 11,000 more. And what of the other candidates? Well, Labour’s Katherine Dunne finished third polling 6,000 votes compared to the 7,000 secured last time out by Nick Grant. There were no other candidates which begs the question as to how much the absence of the Greens (who backed Cable) and UKIP influenced the result. Significantly it would seem but no doubt there will be various experts able to pontificate on that.

Two years after being given the heave-ho by the electorate Vince is back. We hope he serves us well as our constituency MP. We also say thank you to Dr Mathias for serving the local area for two years. We wouldn’t be surprised to see her back at Westminster at some point.

Cable’s victory speech paid tribute to Tania Mathias for her campaign and for her work for Twickenham since 2015. He also stressed the importance of the democratic process and called for a more collaborative approach to dealing with issues such as Brexit.

What does all this mean for the next Government? Dunno. We’ll let others ponder over the national picture while over the water in Richmond Park Zac Goldsmith won his old seat back from Lib Dem Sarah Olney by just 45 seats.

And that’s all for the moment. We might update this later but for the time being we say ‘Congratulations and good luck’ to Dr Cable, new Member of Parliament for Twickenham.

The 2017 Results
Vince Cable (Liberal Democrat) 34,969
Tania Mathias (Conservative) 25,207
Katherine Dunne (Labour) 6,114
Majority 9,762
Turnout 79.7%  (the highest in the UK so far)
Total votes: 66,290 (looks as if there were c3,000 more eligible voters this time around)

The 2015 Results
Tania Mathias (Conservative) 25,580
Vince Cable (Liberal Democrat) 23,563
Nick Grant (Labour) 7,129
Barry Edwards (UKIP) 3,069
Tanya Williams (Green) 2,463
Dominic Stockford (Christian Party) 174
David Wedgwood (Magna Carta) 26
Majority 2,017
Turnout 77.3%
Total votes: 62,004

LINKS:
* BBC – Twickenham Constituency Result

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96 responses to “Vince is Back: Cable Elected as Your New MP

  1. Wrapping this one up for now. Thanks all.

  2. A. Robot (Mrs)

    Hello chaps. Just back from Abroad. Beastly toilets, but that’s another story.
    Anything happen while I was away?

    • Sally

      Hello Mrs Robot, glad you are back
      There has been a terrible fire in a tower block. Lots of poor people died.
      They were surrounded by luxurious and safe housing, but you see they were poor , it was council housing .It appears that deregulation, dropping enforceable building standards, austerity measures, contracting out and a whole bunch of other money saving responsibility dodging ,”red tape burning” self policing practices may have helped bring the disaster about.
      Leading to a tower with no sprinkler system. (in the dreaded Germany and other EU countries it is compulsory, thank God we stand alone from Germany and vote against such that nasty life saving red tape)
      It was wrapped in the cheaper option more flammable cladding. £2 less a square metre.
      There things appear to have contributed to the tower going up like a torch. The investigation could take years.
      Don’t know about anybody else but I feel so sad and furious about what happened and why it may have happened it is very hard to hear from anybody who may go on about the wonders of council cutbacks , contracting out to the cheaper bidder, lower taxes, and freedom from the nanny state .

    • Alexis

      Thank you for your supportive comments Nemesis and whiteknight. Much appreciated.
      When drawing up my personal observations on the political situation with which we are faced, I deliberately avoided any reference to the disastrous fire, loss of life and destruction of people’s lives.
      Unfortunately our politicians seem to have been woefully inept at managing the crisis.
      Our PM, Theresa May has been dreadful – typically wooden and lacking in any sort of empathy unlike the Queen who was visibly moved and shocked by what she witnessed. I suspect that May’s caretaker PM role will be cut short as a result. Sadly I still can’t see anyone on their front bench capable of lifting us out of this crisis, sorting out Brexit and our mounting deficit.

      Corbyn has fallen back on his usual stuff and done himself no favours apart from amongst his fervent army of class warrior supporters. Is that the sort of person you want running our country? I certainly don’t. McDonnell? Len McCluskey even? Scary!
      Perhaps we have more to be concerned about than I thought a few days ago.
      Alexis

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      You need to be careful, Sally. Anyone would think that cheap and lethal housing, vast class differences in life-chances (literally), a ‘bonfire of regulations’, and ‘shrinking the state’ (from 44% GDP to 36% GDP was Osborne’s stated intention at his 2015 budget) were political matters. I think you’re trying to make political capital out of what was clearly an Act of God (like want, disease, ignorance, squalor and idleness have always been).
      It’s wonderful to see the way that the young people in the movements behind Corbyn are realising that we are social animals and we must act socially, collectively and in solidarity with each other or we perish. The momentum is with those young people and all those others who made that clear last week. I haven’t felt this optimistic in years.
      And ‘Brexit’ as proposed by Dacre, Murdoch, Gove, Fox and May, is clearly now never going to happen.

      Rejoice! as someone once said.

    • Nemesis

      “Anything happen while I was away?”
      Well on here at least it has been rather quiet with a refreshingly polite exchange of views and opinions.

    • Nemesis

      Sally,
      Pointing fingers and trying to make political capital before even all the bodies have been found…perhaps not the wisest move.
      These things are often a result of a combination and/or sequence of events. Shall we wait a while before casting judgment.

    • Sally

      Well now Nemesis, that was a pretty rude welcome back for Mes R .I have always found her comments both very witty and polite.
      Re the fire, I did say “may have contributed to”. Given the lack of a sprinkler system -mandatory in Germany and many other dreaded EU countries, the cheaper less fire resistant cladding, the single staircase – and the opinions of numerous firefighters and fire safety commentators, this seemed a reasonable comment. It will take years for the report to come out.
      I imagine that is a pretty uncomfortable thought if you are a fan of deregulation, cutbacks, austerity and all the other trappings of deep Conservatism..

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      Your ‘politeness’ and ‘quiet’ and ‘waiting a while before casting judgement’ , Nemesis, is what we used to have when people like you ‘politely’ and ‘quietly’ accepted decades of what governments and their lowlife collaborators like the Sun and Mail editors told us was ‘The Truth’ ( Kelvin McKenzie’s front page Sun headline ) about Hillsborough, Suez, the Birmingham Six, Iraq, the Beanfield, Saltley etc etc etc.
      It usually took about 3 decades, 6 tv documentaries, a major film and a judicial admission for people like you to wake up to what actually might have happened. Who can forget the leading British judge (citation later if you need it) who tried to justify jailing the innocent by saying, in relation to the framing of innocent Irishmen for IRA bombings in England, that it was more important that the British people retain their belief in the British judicial system than that the public find out what actually happened, that justice and truth actually emerge and that people lose their faith in the system. He was talking about people like you.Your prim little idea of ‘politeness’ actually conceals the stupidity of obtuseness and conformity and , worse, the stench of collusion in corruption.

      Sorry if this sounds a little impolite.

    • Alexis

      Oh dear, Mrs Robot seems to have suffered a bilious attack on her, no doubt , hard earned holiday. That combined with her toilet experience must have been extremely stressful, so, let’s forgive her for letting off a bit of steam on these briefly tranquil pages.
      Perhaps Sally had the same sort of experience? Who would know but I am surprised and disappointed by her class warrior vitriol. How interesting and well worth noting who’s who when the activists come out to play again, as they undoubtedly will. Perhaps Demokrat did us all a favour by attracting their opprobrium and making them easier to identify.
      Alexis
      PS: If anyone wants a break from this depressing stuff, we have a luxury Moroccan villa available for rent and not subject to the risk of being requisitioned by Mr Corbyn and his Marxist chums.

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      Good to see that the bitch is back, Al, but a rather wordy and politically contentless way of informing the world that ‘ we have a luxury Moroccan villa’ , isn’t it?
      Any thoughts on the matters at hand? Politics is rather more than a question of which of the band of Tory incompetents is currently the Telegraph’s preferred muppet, you know.

    • Alexis

      A minor correction from “the bitch”.
      The Moroccan villa to let was a bit of a myth designed to encourage the class warriors to vent some spleen. It worked quite well, so, thank you Mrs Robot.
      There really are some very strange people out there. I have never referred to anyone apart from my late dog as a bitch, and then only in jest, certainly not to any correspondents who dare to post different opinions to my own.
      Perhaps it’s class or breeding? – personally I think it’s simply plain bad manners from a woefully self-opinionated correspondent – time for another break Mrs Robot? I hear there are some cracking labour camps way out east – sadly the toilets are probably pretty awful!
      Alexis

    • Nemesis

      “It appears that deregulation, dropping enforceable building standards, austerity measures, contracting out and a whole bunch of other money saving responsibility dodging ,”red tape burning” self policing practices may have helped bring the disaster about.”
      I’ve copied and pasted this long post from another site:
      The EN standard, in respect of fire safety in relation to external cladding is known to be deficient. Even the most rigorous application of material and individual component testing will not necessarily predict overall system performance, and cannot therefore be used as a valid or even useful indicator of its safety. The European standard is fundamentally flawed.

      Arguably, this situation could be resolved by the UK taking unilateral action and defining a new, more rigorous standard of its own. But there we are hit by the EU dimension. Because of the Construction Standards Regulation (and its preceding Directives), the definition of building standards is what is known as an “occupied field”. The UK no longer has the authority to define its own standards.

      Much is made of Germany having more rigorous standards, but my understanding is that the Federal Government had them in place before the first (1989) directive. It is allowed to keep its existing codes in place, as indeed are we, allowing the progressive implementation of European standards.

      The way this works is that the standards are voluntary, unless they’ve been officially adopted as a European Harmonised Standard. The cladding standard is not an official harmonised standard, so different Member States are free to apply their own standards.

      However, when CEN National Members (including all EU Member States) decide to implement a standard, they are obliged to withdraw any National Standards conflicting with it. In German states, adoption of new codes is now obligatory. And under EU law, once they’ve adopted a standard (even though voluntarily), they cannot implement new standards which are more severe than, or conflict with, harmonised standards.

      That is not to say that the UK would necessarily have introduced new standards, had we been an independent state. But under the current regime, there is no point in even trying. We are a passive law-taker and no longer think for ourselves.

      What is fair to say though, is that the EU – having taken away our scope to act independently – has dropped the ball on fire prevention. Obsessed with its climate change agenda and the need to meet Kyoto commitments, it has channelled all its (limited) energies into “green” standards for buildings, and neglected other matters, particularly fire safety. .”..We need permission from the EU to create our own tougher standard – this, being the EU requires horsetrading. This, in effect makes us a passive law taker – we are no longer in charge of our own destiny.
      Perhaps, out if this tragedy, other countries will realise that they too are passive law takers to parts of regulation, that, at a national level , they would be better suited to deal with.”

      So, not quite as straight forward as you seem to think Sally.

    • Sally

      Alexis, you may have forgotten that The Bitch is Back is a song by Elton John c 1974. You can hardly have avoided hearing it, at the time-even in Morocco it would have been wafted towards you on a trade wind. The bitch in the song is a rather groovy character. You could be letting a compliment go by.

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      Still nothing politically serious to say, Alexis? I can understand why. Meanwhile it’s terrific to watch you queeny Tories tear each other apart like cats in a sack. How long would you seriously give yourselves?

      PS By the way, it’s ‘opinions different FROM my own’. Education will out, eh?

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      Nemesis,
      For God’s sake stop reading the Express.

    • Nemesis

      Mrs Robot
      Actually from an article critical of the Express.
      http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86512
      Take your nose out of the Guardian occasionally.

    • Sally

      Now look, Mrs Robot, be fair. Nemesis and his ilk must be exhausted from all that hand washing.
      Fortunately slashing state services, contracting out and burning red tape allows responsibility to be nicely diffused and a vague sense of regret flapped around. Nemesis seems to be working his way around to claiming it’s the EUs doing. Because it can’t be anything to with being the logical end result of all those dearly held principles. Can it ?

    • A. Robot (Mrs)

      The blog it’s lifted from is the work of Dr Richard North, co-author, with Christopher Booker, of ‘The Great Deception – the definitive history of the EU’.
      Actually, Nem, for a balanced and objective view you’re probably better sticking with your tabloids.

    • Riverside Voter

      So a couple of days ago Nemesis was calling out attempts to make political capital before the body bags were removed unwise and then he goes and posts a lengthy political diatribe from the charmless Richard North as in the white male supremacist who writes scathingly of “dagos” and “jungle bunnies”, some more of his racist political bile. ” £2.9bn is precisely the sum we are being forced to dole out to the jungle bunnies so that they can buy windmills, solar panels and new Mercedes cars for their rulers and their entourages. Since all these stoods [sic] are dead keen on saving the planet and being nice to jungle bunnies, they surely can’t possibly object to paying up to £9,000 a year for their degrees … On the other hand, some of us might actually find this cash deprivation exercise as offensive as others find our use of the term ‘jungle bunnies’. But then, I reckon that if we are being forced to contribute so heavily to their wealth and wellbeing, we have earned the right to label our beneficiaries as we please. Beggars can’t be choosers.”

      Nemesis, not just unwise but is this the political capital you seek?

      Alexis meanwhile has parted company with the principle of brevity he eected of others. Say no more….

  3. Lionel

    Some observations from knocking on doors in the campaign:

    1. UKIP vote overwhelmingly went Tory.

    2. But Tory vote didn’t increase net, as they lost people who always liked Cable but reluctantly voted Tory in 2015 as they bought the “Miliband/SNP chaos” line. They were less favourably inclined to May than they had been to Cameron, particularly because of May’s hard line on Europe and disdain for “citizens of the world”. There’s a high non-UK EU citizen population here – voters have friends, spouses etc in that group – and May’s general attitude was a problem (albeit people appreciated Matthias was more moderate).

    3. Labour gained some votes from the Greens (though most went Lib Dem).

    4. But their vote fell a bit as their supporters were more likely to vite tactically as coalition memories faded.

    5. Cable had rock solid turnout of core supporters – people who regretted his departure from Parliament made damned sure they put it right.

    6. But Conservative core turnout was slightly flakier due to “dementia tax” and (for a minority) Europe – some Tories were never going to vote for another party, but felt unmotivated.

    7. Your Lib Dem sources were cautious as there was a very late (final weekend), “I’m sorry, but can’t vote for him this time” move in 2015 as the Tory campaign tapped fear of Labour. It was expected again but never arrived.

    • Alexis

      I admit that my first reaction to the prospect of a hung parliament was – oh goodness what now? Fortunately my innate sense kicked in and I suddenly realised that it was no bad thing for us, the ordinary punters. I checked it out with my elder daughter and her beau today, they were in total agreement and were surprised that I was too – something of a first!

      At least no-one can do anything stupid for a considerable time whilst the politicians squabble amongst themselves and struggle to work out some sort of modus operandi. To Dr Mathias: You are well out of it and thank you for your contribution over the last couple of years.

      As to the parties:
      Conservative. Since hopelessly screwing the election campaign, Mrs May is now a caretaker PM. However, since there is no-one of any stature on the Tory front bench, I suspect they will prop her up for the foreseeable future in the hope of a viable replacement emerging.

      Labour. I’m not really quite sure what to make of them – they ran a smart campaign and mobilised the youth vote – Momentum? All that despite the fact that Corbyn has little or no support from his parliamentary colleagues. Nevertheless he’s fireproof for now and is a determined old curmudgeon, so will undoubtedly hang on until dragged away kicking and screaming about Lenin or Marx.

      LibDem. Unsurprisingly Tim Farron has resigned or been told to fall upon his sword – who would know and it probably doesn’t matter that much anyway. Vince, Ed or Jo?
      Vince is the avuncular elder statesman although something of an opportunist and probably a bit too old – I know, I am also a septuagenarian and, although, reasonably fit, wouldn’t fancy 5 years on the front bench.
      Ed Davey is a curious contender, he was once caught up in the Dan Falchikov scandal. Remember that? Dirty Dan was caught out by his own hubris bragging on the train about spreading dirty tricks about the supposed closure of Kingston Hospital – remember the bad old days of the nasty LibDems? Perhaps they are still at it.
      Jo Swinson. I know nothing of the lady and wish her well.

      DUP/SNP/Scots Conservatives. Take nothing for granted, they have their own agenda some not to our taste. What an interesting problem for the main parties to wrestle with.
      What fun!
      Alexis

    • Nemesis

      Largely agree with your analysis Alexis, though in doing so will no doubt earn us both some down thumbs. Hey ho.
      Just read a comment somewhere that Labour view England as a giant social experiment and the Tories view it as a giant business Park. We little people are stuck between the two.
      Didn’t agree with Farrons politics but thought it wrong that the media rounded on him for his personal religious views – that surely is a business between you and your God. Seems ‘tolerance’ is a one way street.

    • whiteknight

      It is very refreshing to read such a quiet and reasoned message from Alexis.
      My concerns are about the deficit; I have heard it costs us about £78 billion annually to service our debt; the Conservatives’ plan originally was to continue to try to reduce debt levels. It seems now that this will have to watered down. Mr Corbyn wishes to borrow more; I am not sure what the ,Lib-Dems policy was in this respect. It is surely a simple fact of life, as most people know from personal experience, that while a manageable and reducing debt (eg a mortgage) can be a great help in life, a runaway debt is disastrous. Attempts to reduce the deficit over the past few years have shown signs of success, (incidentally, calling this “austerity” is ridiculous to the ears of those who lived through the post-war years). Perhaps someone amongst Twickerati’s esteemed readership can explain how the nation can expect to prosper in the long term when there is so much debt around (and rising)

    • RiversideVoter

      In the current circumstances where everything has changed I think maybe we should watch and wait and support those who really need it. There will be lessons that should be learned on all sides.

  4. Ex-Twickenham Resident

    First day of the ‘new’ government and so far –

    David Davis cannot go to the start of Brexit talks because the Queen’s speech is on the same day..

    The Queens speech scheduled for Monday cannot go ahead because the goat skin vellum is not prepared.

    The Queen can’t make any other day because of Royal Ascot starting on Tuesday and going on for 5 days.

    You really could not make this stuff up!

    • Alexis

      Tacky E-TR – somewhat beneath your usual standard.
      Whatever the mess we are in, very many people are probably trying to make things happen and don’t deserve this sort of stuff.
      Alexis

    • RiversideVoter

      Perhaps because they cannot find any scapegoat skin vellum

    • Alexis

      Not bad RV! But I do hope it wasn’t a pre-planned double act with E-TR

    • RiversideVoter

      Sounding a bit paranoid there Alexis. I can assure you that I would not know ex-TR, any more than I would know you, if I bumped into him in Church Street. The idea that there is some sort of well drilled and briefed army of Libdem politicos lurking here is quite a long way wide of the mark. I know of no reason that Gareth Roberts would have a clue who I am either, and if he did he would probably want to put me right on a few things!

      I do have a bit of a girlcrush on Mrs A Robot though, a chance of a double act would be a fine thing……

  5. aristophanes

    I am at a loss to understand what Riverside Voter means by using the words “illegitimate government” in the post of 10 June at 2.37 pm.
    The Conservatives won more seats and more votes than any other party. The Prime Minister has informed the Head of State (aka Her Majesty the Queen) that she will try to form a government. This is entirely constitutional – illegitimate is defined as, among other things “unlawful, not recognised by authority”. If she fails to form a government, Mr Corbyn will presumably be asked to try. That is how the system works.
    The mathematics are not as simple as some imagine; Nick Robinson made a very pertinent comment on this.

    • RiversideVoter

      Agreed the word illegitimate was not strictly the right one, except in a moral sense. The numbers add up and if she can reach agreement with the DUP then she can form a government.

      There is however all sorts of speculation flying about about what is required in return, including in the Sunday Times that Farage is holding the process to ransom. As I mentioned in another post the DUP were used by both Leave campaigns, brokered by Farage and Banks, to spend funds on advertising and the services of AggregateIQ / Cambridge Analytica. This is currently been investigated by the Electoral Commission. The Sunday Times claims the DUP are demanding that Farage becomes a Lord or has a role in the Brexit negotiations.

      That is apart from the risks for the Good Friday Agreement, which requires the UK government to be an impartial player in the governance of Northern Ireland, something hard to square with the DUP being in an alliance in the governance of the UK as a whole, as the highlighted by the Irish Taoiseach today. Sinn Fein will make full political play with that.

      Finally of course many of the values of the DUP are proving hard to stomach. It isn’t just for the British electorate who have been googling them madly and sharing them widely on social media, though you might think they should have known the impact the forces of such extreme Christian Conservatism have had on the lives of the people of NI. It is also for some politicians in the Conservative Party, most significantly Ruth Davidson. She is of course the one politician who having delivered them seats, largely by ignoring the instructions coming from May’s office, has put them in a position to form a government at all. Osbourne describes her as now the most powerful politician in the party.

      Most people seem to be seeing the election result as a call for consensus politics and are not seeing this as a move in the right direction. You can see why Vince Cable would say that “May has made this bed of nails, now she must lie on it…….”

    • Dr NHS

      Aristophanes is quite right. Mrs May’s Confidence and Supply arrangement is perfectly legitimate. Trouble is, she is at the mercy of any decent sized group of MPs who won’t play ball or whose demands she cannot meet. For one thing, there are the decidedly rainbow coloured Scottish Conservatives, the leader of whom has made it crystal clear that LGBT issues are, for her, bigger than party ones and the diametrically opposed (on that issue, at least) DUP. Mrs May needs the support of both groups. This will be very, very tricky. I predict a new Tory leader in time for the party conference and another general election not more than four months after that.

    • Sally

      Ah, yes the DUP. What a collection of gargoyles : “climate change is a con”. EU referendum? “get the ethnics out too” Gay marriage and indeed gays should be stopped, banned. Also reproductive rights.. And gays again. And their cakes.
      As one commentator said its like falling through a hole in time and finding yourself stuck in the 70s.This really is a desperate situation.
      It’s very hard to imagine any kind of rapprochement between them and the Scottish Conservatives or, let’s face it, any party not composed of eye wateringly retro bigots.

    • Riverside Voter

      Friends in Northern Ireland are pleased that this is shining a light on the DUP and their regressive influence on life in Northern Ireland. This is the party that insist on creationism being part of the Giant’s Causeway display information, want it to be taught in schools and brief children on how to argue against Darwinism. They suggested a translation of SEN into Ulster Scots in a government publication should be “wee daftie bairns”. They have recently stated that a woman breast feeding in public is “doing it for reasons other than feeding the child, exhibitionism for example”. Last week a prescribed terrorist organisation was posting flyers through letter boxes telling people to vote for them and would not reject this publically when requested to do so on radio. They repeatedly block marriage equality and modern abortion laws. If you think that the DUP have ever been a benign partner to ruling governments Harriet Harman abruptly dropped a plan to extend the UK abortion laws to Northern Ireland at a time when they needed DUP support on anti terrorist legislation. Imagine if all that was going on in Twickers!

      The lack of awareness of these issues is also the reason that the Leave campaigns barely mentioned the problems that Brexit poses for the current peace in Northern Ireland. It is also why May has played scant attention to the issue although admittedly the attention she has played to planning for Brexit generally is pretty scant, and is prepared to do business with the DUP to stay in government. In contrast the EU have made agreeing terms for Brexit that protect the peace, and the Good Friday Agreement they played such an important role in underwriting, a priority in the negotiations…….

      As someone said on Twitter

      Voters in 2015 “We won’t be ruled from Scotland”
      Voters in 2016 “We won’t be ruled from Brussels”
      Voters in 2017 madly googling the DUP

  6. No more tit for tat tedium please. Show some restraint and just let it go. There really is no need to keep going back over the same old ground. Thanks .

    • Sally

      Here’s a thought.:
      If I read this flyer correctly https://gallery.mailchimp.com/9e90130bcd745b17bd31837e0/files/2d50a841-f209-4491-b9f4-dc281fd0ebfa/20170609_TwickenhamRediscovered_Flyer.pdf
      the new plans for the riverside site will be on line from the 13th and we can go check them out in person at various open sessions. Now, the latest plans might be met with glad cries from one and all -or universal. yells of horror . If the latter, will the new political arrangements make any difference ?

    • Alexis

      Wilco – over and out.
      Alexis

    • Alexis

      Having agreed to desist from further posts about the election result, Barry Edwards and local political activists, I was disappointed to see that my preceding post was expunged despite already having been awarded two thumbs up. I thought it was pretty innocuous, but, hey ho, that’s life and I can hack it.

      Just a thought for the future Twickerati; Articulate politico’s who post overlong polemics put just as many ordinary punters off posting as do the attack dogs. If this forum is to become a talking shop for the political intelligentsia to squabble or agree with each other rather than encouraging the semi-articulate hoi polloi like me to take part, you risk losing the vital ingredient of any debate – balanced comment. That would be a great pity.
      Just a thought.
      Alexis

    • Thanks for the comment. The intention was not to prevent discussion about the election or even about the EU (although that was of course only a part of the election debate) it was about trying to put an end to the tit for tat sniping which seems, rightly or wrongly, to revolve around a certain poster. After that request I did delete a couple of posts which seemed to fall into the category of those I was hoping would not appear. If one of yours was deleted in error then I apologise for that error. If it’s the one that referred to being 40 degrees in Morocco and an interregnum then please feel free to re-post that section. The first part, although fairly innocuous referred to specific poster(s) which would, no doubt have elicited a long response and then further responses. Perhaps I was actually following the advice you gave in its first paragraph.

    • Actually, the post of yours I refer to above is live on the site and has 4 ‘thumbs up’. Not seen any others from you since your ‘over and out’.

    • Ex-Twickenham Resident

      Alex – Your viewpoint is usually anti Lib Dem, you have, by your own admission campaigned for the Tories and are remarkably well informed about local and national politics. You are not a fence sitter, put forward your views lucidly and seem to enjoy the political discussion. I do not think you can claim any moral high ground about the course of the discussions. I have not given you a down tick as I do not think you comment warrants such punishment. Nonetheless I almost did.

    • Alexis

      Thank you Twickerati – I’m afraid I still can’t find my original post on your forum but please don’t worry about it anymore. It was only me indulging in a bit of conspiracy theorising about the motivation of some of your other posters.
      I suspect a hard lesson has been learned by the Tories – I doubt they will make the same mistake again. One thing I would like to repeat is that we were very sorry that Dr Tania Mathias lost her seat. Albeit quietly spoken, she had been very impressive at meetings over Heathrow expansion and has paid a high price through no fault of her own.
      Alexis
      PS: I can’t find a suitable place to respond to your post of 9.56am today – I hope this will do.

    • OK thanks – all good.

  7. Alexis

    Having exhorted fellow posters to ignore Barry Edwards and starve him of his lifeblood – opprobrium, I’m beginning to think I may have got it a bit wrong.
    Judging by his latest post he is still itching for a good scrap and wants the political warriors to waste yet more time rebutting his rubbish – why bother? Therein lies the conundrum, perhaps Barry is the joker in the pack and is encouraged to allow the political warriors among us to write at considerable length – some of it is extremely tedious unless you are a politico and this is your business. I wonder who they are trying to impress? It certainly isn’t Barry. I fear it’s us.
    Sadly, I for one became tired of the repetitive stuff just as I became tired of the Tory mantra “strong and stable”.
    We are now faced with a sort of interregnum – what fun!
    It’s still Ramadan in the High Atlas Of Morocco and the temperature is nearly 40C so I will have to delay our escape from the bedlam that will likely engulf us in the next few weeks.
    Alexis.
    PS: I thought Tania Mathias was doing a pretty good job and impressive over Heathrow. I’m very sorry she was beaten.

  8. RiversideVoter

    From the number of volunteers helping Vince’s campaign I’d say they were doing considerably better than the other parties here. Conservatives much more thinly stretched and harder to spot. One party has of course not been spotted in Twickers at all aside from the ranting on Twickerati. Demokrat, if you were to be hit by a 267 on its way through Isleworth would there be anyone else to prevent a major extinction event for the Demokracy party?

  9. Dr NHS

    LibDem MP numbers have climbed, in fact. Rising numbers isn’t generally speaking a feature of extinction….

  10. Sally

    Also, buried in that over 10,000 word piece Mr C admits that Leave would not have won without the lie of £350 million a week extra to the NHS. That claim was widely derided by Doctors .It was not true. Those making the claim and simpering in front of the bus knew it was not true.
    Incidentally in February 2016 the Department of Health issued warnings to the Leave campaign to stop using the NHS logo on its leaflets let alone bus, as they were misleading. They kept using them. They fully ntended to mislead and according to Mr C it swung the vote.
    So, £350 million extra was a lie. Using the NHS logo was against the explicit instructions of the NHS. Even Mr C ,surely one of the Leave campaign’s most ardent fans admits this did the trick. You don’t have to live in SW1 to find that repulsive.

    • demokrat

      Baby Sally,

      I am so grateful for all your wonderful insights, it really shows the rest of us how to avoid falling into your way of thinking and what needs to be done to restore hope, dreams and a better way of life. You are entropy, the destroyer of ideas, a true stalwart Nasty Lib Dem.

      Of course both Leave and Remain lied, that is the nature of modern politics, but on the balance of probabilities, the people of the UK decided the way they did; respect this and move on.

      I watched an episode of Heimat the TV series last night, around the period of 1932 onwards (Series 1, Episode 2).It has been highly respected and awarded series as follows.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwUlrBKi7N8 You can watch the next episode on Thurs 15th June on Sky Arts at 10pm, I recommend it to you, it will be like looking in the mirror.

      Because, its no coincidence that you sound exactly like the National Socialists that originally tried to improve the lives of the ordinary German people, but then ended up using this lie, as a Trojan Horse, to tell them how to think, leading to mass propaganda and concentration camps for any German that had any other ideas than theirs. (This was even before the atrocities to other nations during WWII). Your reincarnation of these traits, just encourages my resolve to challenge your disgusting brainwashing and to fight for a free and healthy society.

      I consider the real views of people and don’t twist these facts, that is the whole point of pure democracy, to listen and do the will of the people. You just want to naysay, scorn free thinking and to impose your own fascist ideology. Your berserk insistence on keep digging up my past association with UKIP, illustrates your reluctance to face real facts. Its over I am no longer in that party. Wake up and smell the roses !!

      However please don’t stop posting, because it helps honest, good positive people to work out, how to protect themselves against the ever present threat, of your kind of compulsive and irrational party political propaganda.

    • Anonymous

      Sigh.
      Mr Edwards. You are talking Krap. The only person threatening insulting and insisting on being right on this site is ,and has only ever been you.
      You have a hysterical habit of trying to generalise disagreeing with you, or in any way outwitting you as an attack on The People. As a previous poster wrote, the only views totally rubbished on this site have been yours and yours alone. Again and again. This in no way leads you to question your views or manner . I would imagine this is a pervasive pattern in your life and relations with others.
      You were a fanatical Kipper, prior to that there was the Conservative party and now your own wonder theory of democracy. Seems to me the common thread is a desperate desire for power. So no suprises your loyalty evaporates when this doesn’t happen.
      Now. How about you leave off stalking Twickenham ?

    • Dr NHS

      Dear Barry,
      You are a fascinating embodiment of Goodwin’s Law, which states that in any online debate in the end one person compares another to Hitler, thereby demonstrating that they have lost the argument.
      For a forward looking sort of man you are curiously reluctant to move on, I observe. The ‘act shamelessly’ link you repeatedly post I actually looked at (one of the very few who have, I reckon) and it refers to a publication from about ten years ago ! Everyone involved has evolved and maybe changed their views, just as you claim to have done. Why do you not concede that others might do likewise ?

      [Edited – text removed]

    • Nemesis

      ‘We send the EU £350 million a week
      Let’s fund our NHS instead’
      Do you read that wording as a suggestion or a promise?
      A suggestion, if I remember reading, that Gove and Boris were enthusiastic about carrying through. They weren’t in a position to make a ‘promise’ as they were not campaigning as a political party.
      How does it compare with project fear. That the economy would collapse immediately after the referendum requiring an emergency budget if the country voted no, world war 3 etc. Which was designed to put the fear of God into many people.
      We could argue the semantics Ad infinitum, but I doubt it improves understanding.
      I believe there are very few people who understand the inner machinations and direction of travel of the EU (Dr. Richard North does but I do not agree with his conclusions) Indeed most of the MPs have admitted to not having read the actual Treaties. There is a huge amount of deliberate obfuscation and propaganda emanating from the Berlaymont.
      If you remember at the time of joining, Heath lied to the British people saying that the Common Market was purely a trading bloc with no intentions of becoming a political union. Yet it was there in the Treaty that no one bothered to read. A memo from the Foreign Office at the time stated that they couldn’t reveal the true nature of the then Common Market because the gradual surrender of Sovereignty would be unpalatable to the British people.

      http://www.theeuroprobe.org/edward-heath-and-a-letter-from-the-foriegn-commonwealth-office-1972/

    • RiversideVoter

      Nemesis I fear that there are very few people understand the many benefits that the EU has delivered to us either, for instance the role that the regulatory frameworks and other infrastructure play in providing a level playing field for Science, Technology and Business to flourish. Greater integration is constantly painted as some sort of threat when in reality it has been a great opportunity. This is some detail on the Science “UK derogation from the EU treaty puts all this at risk and could end up leaving us in our English country cottage – pretty but out-of-date. “http://scientistsforeu.uk/2016/08/science-and-brexit-time-to-be-better-europeans/

    • Nemesis

      Riverside voter:
      “Nemesis I fear that there are very few people understand the many benefits that the EU has delivered to us either, for instance the role that the regulatory frameworks and other infrastructure play in providing a level playing field for Science, Technology and Business to flourish. ”
      ‘Level playing field’?
      Are you suggesting that anyone holding a natural competitive advantage should not benefit from that? How did that work out for the fishing industry? UK small fishing ports made redundant to allow for large Spanish trawlers to over fish, hence quota limits where large amount of dead fish are thrown back into the sea and does nothing for depletion of fish stocks.

      Science: why does scientific collaboration require a political union to flourish? What seems to be happening is science is increasingly driven by political agendas not for genuine discovery.

      I can understand some advantages of standardisation (and indeed some disadvantages) but these tend to happen at a world-wide level, and subsequently adopted by the EU (UNECE for example). Our seat and direct input on these world trade bodies is now substituted by the EU.

    • Riverside Voter

      Nemesis, since brevity is preferred

      The allocation of fishing quotas is done by the government not the EU. In spite of the fact that the EU suggest they should be allocated according to social and environmental criteria they sold them off to the highest bidders, two thirds to just three companies, 44% to foreign companies. Gove is to discover fishermen feel as misled as farmers http://energydesk.greenpeace.org/2016/05/15/investigation-big-fish-quota-barons-squeeze-out-small-scale-fishermen

      I am not a Scientist and evidently neither are you but I do believe in listening to the experts. The EUs level playing field has enabled us to build our competitive advantage in Science and tech in spite of the government investing just 1.9% in Science (3% in the rest of the G7) I already gave you one link, here is another, plenty more https://russellgroup.ac.uk/media/5356/evidence-to-lords-scitech-committee-inquiry-into-the-eu.pdf

    • Alexis

      Fair comment E-TR.
      My viewpoint is indeed anti LibDem, largely due to personal experience of their campaign tactics and local governance which I have found deplorable.
      I thank you for your kind words about my performance, however I do not claim the moral high ground and can get down and dirty just like the so-called LibDem attack dogs who were defending Lourie’s effort to sell off Twickenham Riverside. I had never become involved in political campaigning or debate before that, either national or local, so you have him to blame for yet another implacable foe.

      A suggestion: Many of the posts by other political activists on this forum have become overlong and, as a result, quite boring to most people who don’t play the grand game of politics for a living. I tried reading them to the end but soon realised that my eyes were drooping with ennui – I am quite surprised to realise that I can’t remember any of it at all! I wonder how many other readers suffered the same problem?
      Look at the mess the R&TT letters page is in. They used to have an advisory limit of 250 words which meant that there was room for many more letters than the 3 or so which now, almost exclusively, come from campaigning groups and are extremely tedious, rather than from ordinary local residents with interesting comments, as used to be the case.
      Alexis
      PS: As I have said before don’t worry about the thumb down – I regard it as a badge of honour since someone has probably bothered to read what I wrote even though they didn’t like it. Not too many though please!

  11. Nemesis

    Dominic Cummings explains in a modest if over long, rambley way why against all odds ‘Leave’ won the referendum.(possibly also why the election went the way it did)
    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/dominic-cummings-brexit-referendum-won/
    I don’t think I’d have bothered reading it if I’d known how long it was but so many insights kept me going, including why discussions such as on these pages have become an echo chamber and tribal in nature.
    Thumbs down all you want but unless one understands the real reasons for loosing, the errors will be repeated.

    • Sally

      Ah . Dominic Cummings of the Spectator.
      “Modest” Nemesis??? It comes across to me as foaming at the mouth, self applauding , and grandiose. The utter reverse of humble. Love the way he uses “we” constantly about the whole Leave campaign as if he was at its helm.
      Also the copious use of inverted commas to suggest satire. Around words such as “rational”
      You can tell it’s a blog because no editor on earth would have allowed that to go out . Do you know one of the marks of intelligence is the ability to put an argument clearly and concisely?
      What I could gather skimming through the pages and pages was no startling new data.has emerged. He is jolly pleased about lLeaving and thinks anybody who is less so is from SW1, or in the thrall of Corbyn, or something, OK..

    • RiversideVoter

      Nemesis. I fear he had you in the first few paragraphs of apparent self deprecation / faux modesty. It is actually a very verbose bit of stealth boasting about the fact that they cleverly exploited and manipulated misperceptions and misinformation about the EU. Those physicists he mentions? They are actually a company that evolved out of the British and American defence establishments’ development of psychological and propaganda tools using modern technology and data management techniques. “It was with AggregateIQ that Vote Leave (the official Leave campaign) chose to spend £3.9m, more than half its official £7m campaign budget. As did three other affiliated Leave campaigns: BeLeave, Veterans for Britain and the Democratic Unionist party, spending a further £757,750.” Note: the same DUP now shoring up an illegitimate government. All the background is laid out in this lengthy article that is far more worthy of your time. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

      What the article you posted, and this one, actually highlight is that our democratic process is not robust enough to protect our democracy from this sort of hijacking and manipulation funded and facilitated by wealthy individuals like Mercer, who like our Barry and his modest attempts here in our leafy suburb, seek to take the western world to the right. So thanks for that.

      What the article also highlights is that the “modest” Cummings at no point was concerned with reality or the actual good of the country. They did not pay any attention to the realities of trade and the economic consequences of leaving the EU because he says neither the general public nor politicians understood them. They were glad to link the concerns Cameron’s government had nurtured about immigration up to the EU. They were glad to drown out (and still are) any actual debate of the economic risks of Brexit or the actual nature and role of immigration in an economy and welfare system where the population is aging. Thankfully we have just elected to parliament a representative who actually does want to raise these sorts of issues for national debate.

  12. Ex-Twickenham Resident

    Well done Twickenham – I am proud of my former home!

    I would be very happy for Paul to take the prize of “The Twickenham Political Expert” .

    Good job guys!

    • Well done Ex-TR. You said Vince 6,000+. Paul was runner up with Vince 5,000+. Least correct: demokrat with Tania 2,500.

    • demokrat

      So, well done Vince and Zac, now that all over, I wonder what will be the next topic of interest.

      May plans to force Brexit through with the DUP, new topic?

  13. Sally

    DemoKrat/Barry -It’s Ruth Cadbury where you live, yes? Zac or indeed Vince are nowhere near you.
    She is a good person and hard worker, voted in by a lot of silly people who have, you claim, got it all wrong.
    It seems it’s the will of the people when it’s the result you want, or when not, nothing to do with the people just the evil machinations of those pesky interfering Germans/elite/rich/self interested/lib Dems/elected representatives/migrants/all of Europe.

    Still it could all give you time to work on your new system of democracy which seems not to involve any of that tiresome voting .but a more direct chanelling of your idiosyncratic views into the heads of grateful followers.
    Kommiserations!

    • demokrat

      Baby Sally’s back,

      “be wicked, act shamelessly, stir endlessly”, “advises candidates to “exaggerate” claims and to use a range of other negative campaigning tactics”, “you can secure support from voters who normally vote Tory by being effectively anti-Labour and similarly in a Tory area secure Labour votes by being anti-Tory.”
      Published by the Association of Liberal Democrat Councillors (ALDC).
      http://www.nastylibdems.org/2010/01/lib-dem-campaign-guide-be-wicked-act.html#comment-form

    • Sally

      Blast! As well as everything being the fault of refugees/migrants/all Europeans, /lib Dems,/judges/the entire electoral system/ clever people/rich people / the elite//anybody who votes/ anybody who has a working memory, I forgot this sinister tome around which nasty lib Dems apparently cluster like Guidio Fawkes and his conspirators.around a powder keg. ..

      Or it could be Kodswallop and people voted not as you wanted.
      Ruth Cadbury is very good.

  14. Riverside Voter

    Not sure whether they are rich pseudo intelligentsia (who appear to have joined remainers, judges, the elite, immigrants, the Germans and the EU as “the enemies of the people”) but from what Polling Officers were saying yesterday it was young people who increased the turnout, and nationally there are figures of a 72% (versus 43% in 2015) turnout amongst the young being bandied about. The polls are saying young people (and women) have delivered results like Vince Cable’s.

    Murdoch is apparently in a storming impotent fury, no news on Dacre and Desmond but all the tabloid rags have turned on May, she is now the enemy of the people, but then young people don’t read them

    All a good thing for democracy surely?

    • My 20 year old daughter just told me she is so proud that her generation got out and voted – good for her, even though I backed the wrong candidate.
      Feel so let down by May’s catastrophic campaign but it is Cameron who should boil in hell for the original referendum.
      Keep calm and carry on.

      BTW every time I see “Demokrat” it reminds me of East Germany…just saying

    • Sally

      It was lovely to see all the young people out voting-even canvassing! Really heartwarming, and they looked very proud.
      And how soothing to think of Murdoch fuming away impotently.

    • demokrat

      Yes and why were they out canvassing, because they were sold that same old money “free tuition fees” a promise that everyone, especially the Universities know, is undeliverable. The Universities budgets would be cut in half overnight if this happened and there would be a fraction of the student places available. So Labour and I imagine the Lib Dem conVINCEd them to canvass for their own destruction. I would call that unforgivable. All these lies have to stop, if we are to offer a policy of free tuition fees and even study grants, this country needs to totally re-evaluate its priorities, pay off its national debts and then fund it properly. I personally would like this to be true, but maybe Sally can raid her infinite baby-bank and pay for it.

    • RiversideVoter

      Have you actually asked young people why they voted as they did? You seem to be making a lot of assumptions not just about why they voted but the decision making process that went into their vote. It seems that whilst it is unacceptable to call leavers old, stupid and racist, a victim status some seem only too ready to claim, it is perfectly alright to call young people stupid, or lazy and apathetic, or I recall a line on here that they spent their time playing games on their phone.

      Actually when people have bothered to ask them young people have very strong ideas about the sort of world they want to build their lives in, and we should really be listening because they are the ones who will sustain the economy and the care of the older and disadvantaged when older voters are no longer able to. Over 30% cited health and social care policy as the reason for voting for a particular party, 26% on who was best to navigate Britain to a beneficial Brexit (not surprising given the majority voted remain in the referendum), just 26% cited education policy but that would include the cuts to education funding and marketization at all levels. If they were canvassing for the Libdems they were doing so knowing that free tuition fees was not a manifesto policy though reinstatement of the maintenance grant for poorer students rightly was.

      The young people I saw walking into the polling station were quietly determined and looked proud to be taking this chance to make their voices heard.

      All a good thing for democracy surely, even if you do not like what they had to say……

    • Sally

      BarryDemokrat, any evidence for your kondescending klaims about the reasons much larger numbers or young people were involved in canvassing and voting ? No? Wistful thinking again?

      The young people I spoke to on the day gave a few reasons. None were to do with the fees. They liked the parties for which they were canvassing . They had read up on them. Mention of UKIP brought on some bouts of what I could only assume to be mock retching, otherwise they were polite, and thoughtful. You should give it a try one day.

      You really seem to believe that the population would all agree with you if they were not Lead Astray by others. This is also how stalkers think , incidentally.
      Can you imagine any outcome of the elections. which you would NOT have interpreted as support for your current theories?

    • RiversideVoter

      “politics has been animated by the reality of Brexit, by the rising cost of education, by the dwindling of NHS funds.”
      http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/how-britains-youth-vote-general-election-swung-with-record-numbers-of-young-voters-a3561186.html

  15. Queby

    Tories may be one seat out of a working majority. If we get JC forming a government there will probably be a lot of high earners in Richmond counting the cost of this result. Mind you, the LVT will have bankrupted most of us by then!

  16. upend

    Demokrat, you are forgetting the 2011 referendum for Proportional Representation.

    One of the 4 times in the past few years, when a party forced a poll and lost.

    2011 Lib Dems with PR
    2014 SNP for independence
    2016 Conservatives for EU membership
    2017 Conservatives with the GE (not technically, I suppose a loss, but still)

    the previous EEC referendum was 1975, not 1972.

    the rest of your post is hilarious, thankyou 🙂

  17. anonymouse

    The people have spoken.
    Brexit is up a kreek without paddle.
    That’s democracy.

    • anonymouse

      Using the very latest Bazzalytical techniques we can reveal that Vince won by:
      *getting more votes than Tania

      Further scientifik analysis shows he did this by taking:
      * 3k UKIP votes from 2015
      * 2k Green…
      * 1k Labour votes…
      * 3k new electoral votes
      Its simple mathematiks (rounded to 0dp)
      You can’t argue with that.

    • demokrat

      If replying to a post, please use reply rather than start a new topic, it makes this site more difficult to use than it needs to be.

      Annoying mouse, I don’t know that you have noticed, but Brexit – Article 50 also known as I-60 of the EU constitution has been triggered and will still be going ahead. That’s democracy.

      Ha ha, you are catching on, might make a magikian out of you yet !!

    • demokrat

      Brexit – Article 50 also known as I-60 of the EU constitution has been triggered and will still be going ahead. That’s democracy.

    • Nemesis

      Hate to break it to you anonymouse but:

    • Ex-Twickenham Resident

      Anonymouse – Do you remember the Bazzalytical technique in electoral prediction from the first election thread?

      demokrat – April 24, 2017 at 4:21 pm

      “Going on the figures from the last election, this would mean that Tania would be at 25,580 + 3,069 = 28,649. So “The Ponz” Cable would have 23,563 and maybe the Greens might vote for him + 2,463 = 26,026. The Labour party will not vote Tory, but some may vote with Lib Dem because of Remain, but there are also plenty of working class people in the Borough that are losing their jobs to foreign workers, so some Labour voters may also vote Tory on the basis of Leave.

      Given this, I think that this will all even out and it will be Tania by 2,623 and if I am right, we will certainly see who has the more realistic opinion. So:

      Demokrat says – Tania by 2,2623 ”

      Actual result : Vince Cable (Liberal Democrat) 34,969 (+ 9,762).

    • illiad1

      demokrat: hey I would LOVE to reply to a *particular* post, but there is no button!!! :/

      I have tried complaining to the ‘creator’, but he does not seem to care… 😥

    • RiversideVoter

      There seems to be some misperception that Labour had the same position on Brexit as the Tories and a vote for labour was a vote for the same sort of hard Brexit. Just for clarity the Labour Party Manifesto on Brexit, “We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first.” More here, though equally expressed in facile platitudes it still sounds to me to be an altogether different variety of Brexit that Labour was offering / selling. http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/manifesto2017/brexit

  18. demokrat

    PARTY ABOVE COUNTRY

    MAY – arrogantly goes to voters to secure more power and losses – resign
    Corbyn – Splits voters, pound collapses, EU negotiations in tatters – resign
    Farron – Architect of perpetual stirring, EU negotiations in tatters – resign
    Sturgeon – misguided self interest, EU negotiations in tatters – resign
    Lucas – The Anti-environmentalist, EU negotiations in tatters – resign
    Wood – Misguided self interest, EU negotiations in tatters – resign
    Nuttall – Did not defend the referendum and democracy – resign

    The only time in history that the British people actually get to decide on anything democratically, the referendum, (remember the Common Market vote in 1972 was not in or out, it was “do you wish to remain part of……), and all these playground political parties can do, is to put their own arrogant party self interest, above what the country told them to do – shame on them.

    Because no UKIP, or Green and the Labour vote went down in Twickenham, all the floating protest votes went back to Cable, to give May a slap. But in all this party bickering, who really loses, its the people of the UK. Ex Twick enjoy your success, it is totally at the expense of democracy.

    For all the Ex Twick, annoying mouse, Sally, Dr NHS, and all the rich, pseudo intelligentsia in this world, it really doesn’t matter they have enough cash to not worry about the consequences of their self interested opinions, but for the rest of us, watch your back, your job, your bank, your local Council, your mobile provider etc etc, because they will be all after putting a hand in your pocket with a weak and out of control hung Parliament.

    Today is a dark day for UK democracy, we now live in a time where playground politics, has been made more important than democracy and the national interest. The next 5 years are now going to be very, very bad.

    • Sally

      Kheer up! There is always the rich and unassailable world of fantasy to draw on.

    • Bishop Waldhere

      Perhaps we should have another referendum to allow the people to reconfirm their commitment to leaving the EU.

    • illiad1

      Get it right… while you are ‘slapping’ , Twickenham has only a very small influence (ONE in 650 !) – Theresa will carry on, But we have Vince back, no reason to be impolite to the ‘loser’ 🙂

    • Unlikely that the absence of UKIP helped the pro-EU Cable. 2,000 Greens and a few Labour, yes but not UKIP. Those votes most likely went back to Conservative which suggests that Conservatives lost votes to Cable given that Tania’s total vote was stable. Based on total votes counted and the turnout it looks like there were more eligible voters this time around (first timers or people moving into the borough?) and their votes may well have gone Lib Dem.

    • demokrat

      Twickerati,

      I don’t think that voters are so partisan as you image. My theory is that the floating vote is a protest vote against the Tories and votes, in general, to do them the most harm. They would never vote Tory under any circumstances and it was only by default in 2015 with them voting for “all comers” protesting against both the Tories and Lib Dems (coalition), that got the Tory elected last time.

      If true this bodes well for future elections, as 14,000 votes are ready to shift allegiances, if their is a more attractive option.

  19. Sally

    Has ex-TR won the competition? His/her numbers seem closest to Vince’s resounding win, although my eyes are tired.
    If so,looks like you used the right calculations ( cf. Kalculations) ex -TR!!

  20. Micio

    Welcome back Zack to Richmond Park.

  21. Riverside Voter

    Thank you Twickerati. Interesting times. Vince was just interviewed on the BBC showing up the facile soundbite approach to a strong and stable Brexit means Brexit with some of his trademark good sense. Richmond Park is too close to call, down to 3 figures…..